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10 Most Annoying Things Christians Say to Pagans and Witches

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I am a writer of witchery and am interested in all aspects of religious history and expression.

Christian and Pagan beliefs often clash.

Christian and Pagan beliefs often clash.

An Online Witch Hunt Against Pagans, Wiccans, and Witches

To those of you who read the title and are thinking, "Hey! Why are you picking on Christians?" the answer is rather simple (though "picking" on anyone certainly isn't my intention). Since coming out of the "broom closet" (and coming out of the closet as a bisexual woman long before that), I've noticed that the most vociferous attackers of Paganism online are Christians.

I don't have anything against the Christian faith, but the simple truth is, it's not people of the Jewish faith quoting off-topic passages of the Torah on our message boards, it's not atheists telling us to turn away from our "evil ways," and it's not Hindus who spam our websites en masse by proselytizing. The Christian call to evangelize combined with the rampant bigotry towards Paganism and witchcraft in general within the Christian Church has led to what often feels like a witch hunt online.

Unwanted Evangelism in Online Pagan Communities

When I first began researching Paganism, I wanted to reach out to others in the online Pagan community to ask questions and gain from their experience, but I was intimidated by the slew of Bible passages and all-caps rants about the "evils" of "devil worship" that seemed to plague every YouTube comments section, message board, and Tumblog on Paganism. It's one thing to share your beliefs in a respectful and intellectual manner on a website that is dedicated to the discussion of inter-faith topics. It is entirely another to go into someone else's "territory," which is what a niche website is, and force your beliefs down people's throats.

One recent example of this is a specifically Pagan blog I was reading recently. A relatively new witch was asking for advice, which she clearly solicited from other Pagans and witches. She was met with a barrage of Christians spamming the comments thread with lengthy and out-of-context Bible passages, e-shouting all myriad of ignorant and bigoted comments. She never asked for their opinion.

10 Things That Pagans Are Sick of Hearing

In light of what seems like an ever-increasing epidemic, and understanding that there are Christians who truly don't realize that their online behavior towards the Pagan community is both counterproductive and just plain rude, I want to put this list out there to illustrate some of the worst (and unfortunately common) things that many Christians say in an attempt to "convert" Pagans. These are personal pet peeves, and I don't pretend to speak for the whole Pagan community, however.

  1. "You Just Hate Christians/Christianity."
  2. "You Just Haven't Read the Holy Bible! Let Me Share This Verse With You . . . "
  3. "If You Were Open to God's Word, You'd Turn Away From Paganism/Witchcraft."
  4. "But Witchcraft Is Devil Worship!"
  5. "Your Gods Are Just the Devil/Demons/Evil Spirits in Disguise!"
  6. "You Pagan Satanist Wiccan Witches . . . "
  7. "Wicca/Witchcraft/Paganism Is Just a Phase."
  8. "I Made a Witch Mad, and Now I'm Afraid He/She Is Going to Curse Me! Help!"
  9. "I Don't Believe in Witchcraft—Witchcraft Is Just Made Up/Imaginary/Silly."
  10. "You Don't Look/Act/Sound Like a Witch."

For Pagans

1. "You Just Hate Christians/Christianity."

I dislike some Christians, just as I dislike some Pagans, Deists, Atheists, etc.. It has nothing to do with the fact that they are Christians, though, but rather who they are as people. In fact, I grew up as a Christian. Literally my entire family is composed of Evangelical, Charismatic Christians who belong either to non-denominational or Assemblies of God churches. I went to a Christian college, so a good majority of my friends are Christians. In fact, I'm ENGAGED to a Christian. Yes, I'm a Pagan engaged to a Christian, but that's a Hub for another day.

Admittedly, there are some of us in the Pagan community who have unfair animosity towards Christians. It's not an excuse, but it doesn't exactly come out of a vacuum. Most of us deal with attacks on our spirituality, morality, and sometimes our very physical safety on a daily basis, especially in the areas of the world that are very predominantly Christian. While most Pagans try to judge people on an individual basis, you have to understand that the moment a Christian inquires about that "star" hanging around our neck, there is going to be a moment of nervous pause while wondering if they're going to try to "witness" to us by randomly quoting Scripture, suddenly look at us like we're possessed, or worse.

Bringing a Bible to a Pagan debate is NOT effective!

Bringing a Bible to a Pagan debate is NOT effective!

2. "You Just Haven't Read the Holy Bible! Let Me Share This Verse With You . . . "

Well, actually, I have read the Bible, many times. The NIV, the KJV, the NLT, and the Message, to be precise. I've also studied the Bible in its original languages and cultural contexts. I've written papers on the Bible, debated with some of the foremost Christian scholars, and I even have a degree from a Christian university. I think I've given the Bible a fair shake and, unfortunately, I find that I know the Bible better than most of the Christians who quote it at me.

3. "If You Were Open to God's Word, You'd Turn Away From Paganism/Witchcraft."

No. I was open. In fact, I was so desperate to be a "good Christian" in my earlier years that I went so far as to perform self-hypnosis in an attempt to make myself "feel it." Assuming that you know a Pagan's spiritual and life journey and that just because they didn't come to the same conclusion as you, that Christianity is "the truth," is about as prideful as it gets and it's certainly not going to build any bridges.

All Pagans work at 666 Devil Worship Street, according to some Christians.

All Pagans work at 666 Devil Worship Street, according to some Christians.

4. "But Witchcraft Is Devil Worship!"

The irony with this common comment is that most of us do not even believe in the devil, at least not in the way that Christians think. Most sects of Satanism don't even worship an actual devil and the ones that do view him very differently than you do. Trust me when I say, worshiping the Christian construct of the devil is not a part of any typical Pagan belief system.

5. "Your Gods Are Just the Devil/Demons/Evil Spirits in Disguise!"

I think this one comes from the fact that many gods/goddesses in various pantheons seem at times to be amoral or, at the very least, capable of actions that would generally be perceived as immoral. The thing is, Paganism has a much more nuanced view of morality than the Abrahamic faiths. It's not that we don't have morals in our personal lives, but divinity is not linked intrinsically to "good" or "evil" in most schools of paganism. There are some deities that air more on the side of one than the other, but Paganism regards balance between light and dark as a good thing, not a band thing.

By contrast, Christianity embraces only light, and many of us feel that such a belief system is limiting to both the human and divine experience. Our deities are complex. They have individual personalities, stories, and yes, sometimes flaws, but that complexity is why we are drawn to them. YOU may see them as demons and you may feel the need to make everything black or white, but in doing so, you negate one of the primary elements of pagan philosophy and prove that you really don't understand our faith at all. Don't be surprised when we don't respect your assessment of it.

6. "You Pagan Satanist Wiccan Witches . . . "

Yes, some of us are pagan Wiccan witches, but assuming that all pagans are this or that is an automatic giveaway that you haven't really researched what you're talking about. Some pagans are witches. Some pagans are Wiccans. Some Wiccans are Witches. Not all pagans are Wiccans or Witches, and not all Witches are Wiccan or pagan. It just doesn't work that way. Paganism is a philosophy and a spiritual path that encompasses many different religions, Wicca is a faith that is also pagan, and witchcraft is a practice. There are atheist and agnostic witches, Jewish, Hindu, and Buddhist witches, and even Christian witches. A witch is just someone who practices Witchcraft. That's all, really. Some of us identify as Mages, Sorcerors, Ceremonial Magicians and Alchemists, and each label comes with its own meaning.

Within paganism, there are a variety of pantheons which a pagan may ascribe to exclusively, or along with one or more other pantheons. Before you label someone, get to know them. Ask them questions if it's appropriate in the context of your relationship, and don't assume you know what they believe just because you watched a documentary on witchcraft.

Unless you can see into the future, don't accuse someone's faith of being a phase!

Unless you can see into the future, don't accuse someone's faith of being a phase!

7. "Wicca/Witchcraft/Paganism Is Just a Phase."

For some people it is. But those people are not truly Wiccans, pagans, or witches. True faith is not a phase, and it does not rely on a label. Sometimes people latch onto paganism because they believe it's trendy and, once they realize that true paganism requires in-depth soul searching, study, and spiritual devotion, they back out. Oftentimes they back out because they weren't expecting the amount of persecution that often comes with being open about one's pagan faith.

It's one thing to be persecuted for a faith that is an intrinsic part of you, but it's another thing to be persecuted for a fad that you only latched onto for social points in the first place! That doesn't mean that paganism is a fad any more than Christianity, and believe me, there are plenty of people who claim to be Christians because the vast majority of the population is, or simply to avoid being judged by Christians at work, school, or home.

8. "I Made a Witch Mad and Now I'm Afraid He/She Is Going to Curse Me! Help!"

While I'm sure there are days all of us feel like putting a hex on that jerk who cut us off in traffic or took credit for our ideas at work, that's not how it works. We don't just go around cursing people left and right. In fact, Christians are much more likely to curse you. What, you say? Christians cursing people?? Yes, indeed. Remember the last time you prayed for God to "teach someone a lesson," or keep someone from doing something? Well, that's technically a curse. A curse is simply casting your intentions to some power outside of yourself in an effort to impede someone's free will. Christians do this all the time through prayer, and it takes nothing more than closing their eyes and sending a thought to their God.

The practice of cursing and hexing in witchcraft, however, is usually much more involved. Many (not all) of us use tools known as correspondences to work our crafts. Even a simple curse typically involves the use of one or more correspondences, and it must be done in a peaceful environment in which the witch is able to fully focus her intentions into the curse. Cursing is not something that is done on the fly. It takes a great amount of energy and, very often, the curse causes at least some negative repercussion to the witch, the least of which can be a drain of energy.

Another important aspect of cursing that most non-witches fail to understand is that many witches believe in something called the rule of 3. The rule of 3 states that whatever you put out into the universe comes back to you threefold. Some witches believe this to be a literal return of the curse multiplied by 3, while others feel that it's a more symbolic repercussion of negative actions taking place in the mind, body, and spirit. Not all witches believe in the rule of 3 by a long shot (myself included,) but many Wiccans do. The Wiccan rede also states, "An it harm none, do as ye will." For many witches, this is a prohibition against black magick, such as cursing, in all but the most extreme circumstances.

That's an awful lot to contend with just because someone cut you off in traffic, don't you think?

9. "I Don't Believe in Witchcraft—Witchcraft Is Just Made Up/Imaginary/Silly."

Strangely enough, I'll often hear 8 and 9 uttered within minutes of one another. Often those who put the least stock into witchcraft are the ones who fear its effects the most! You're certainly entitled to your opinion that witchcraft is not effective, but to claim that you don't believe it or that it's made up is a bit like saying that you don't think prayer exists. I may not think Christian prayer works, but I still acknowledge that Christians pray and thus, Christian prayer does in fact exist. Witchcraft is much the same. It works for us, just as your prayers work for you. No two Christians pray in exactly the same way (at least, I hope not!) and no two witches practice the Craft in exactly the same way. It's a personal experience. I, for one, believe without a doubt that magick is a real, natural, and powerful force in this world, even if we don't empirically understand all the laws by which it works and manifests.

Either way, just because you don't see the evidence that witchcraft is effective doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you. Much of witchcraft manifests internally, and helps us to meet our personal and spiritual goals. You wouldn't go up to someone and tell them that they're silly for praying or meditating, so refrain from making the claim that someone's Craft is ineffective just because YOU don't see the results that you EXPECT to see on the outside.

Stereotypes about witches run rampant!

Stereotypes about witches run rampant!

10. "You Don't Look/Act/Sound Like a Witch."

Just as there is no one type of Christian, there is no one type of witch. Some of us practice in traditional garb, while others practice the Craft in jeans and a t-shirt. Some of us have high-pitched, enthusiastic voices while others of us have deep, husky voices and speak in formal ways. Some of us are goth, some of us are preppy, some of us are rockabilly, retro, or vintage, and others of us just do well enough to leave the house in matching socks. There is no "right way" to look or act like a witch, but that being said, there is nothing wrong with attempting to dress or behave like a "traditional" witch, either. For many people, wearing the traditional garb of their ancestral heritage helps them to get in touch with the cultural aspect of their practice, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I myself lean towards more formality in practice as a Ceremonial Magickian, but some of my best practicing witch friends prefer to practice in jeans and a comfy sweatshirt.

The media perpetuates plenty of stereotypes about what a witch is supposed to look like. From the lovely ladies of Charmed and Buffy to the wart-laden crone in Snow White, everyone seems to have an idea of what a witch looks like. The simple truth is, a witch looks like your next door neighbor whose subtle pentagram necklace you probably haven't even taken notice of while chatting about your gardens. A witch looks like the guy at the checkout counter who strikes up a conversation with you about the price of groceries these days. A witch looks like that soccer mom you sit next to at your kid's game. Witches are everywhere, just like you. Get to know us for who we are, and you'll learn a lot more than any movie or TV show will ever tell you.

The Pagan Quiz for Christians

For each question, choose the best answer. The answer key is below.

  1. True or False: All witches worship the devil.
    • False
    • True
  2. T or F: The pentacle is an evil sign.
    • True
    • False
  3. T or F: Most witches see no problem with cursing someone.
    • True
    • False

Answer Key

  1. False
  2. False
  3. False

Comments

Dale Anderson from The High Seas on September 14, 2020:

I have a wide variety of friends of all kinds of beliefs so it's sometimes a little tense when we all get together. Funnily, each 'sector' of friends somehow believes that I share their beliefs too. No idea how that happened. I keep telling everyone my religion is sailing.

aliyah alexander on September 08, 2020:

I have studied ,looked at this and it still tickles me to hear the same 10 remarks. Usually by people who think they know more than I do.

Autumn FlameRaven on December 12, 2019:

Boy this article brought out the bigots and evil Christians in the masses. Paganism is a life path, a journey. You dont wake up one day and say you're no longer a Christian. I'm going to be a witch. It's a calling like many Christians hear from their path choice. The fact that after you wrote this, you "became" a Christian tells me all I need to know about you.

Gadfly from Olde London Towne on December 05, 2019:

I met with a number of the Glastonbury 'wyches' who given me a secret name, only to be used in their circle.

Gadfly from Olde London Towne on December 03, 2019:

Living here in Glastonbury it is never very far away from a practising 'wyche'.

I presented myself to one, a Wise Woman and enquired into her powers. The Lady told me I had a destiny to fulfil.

Chelsea on November 30, 2019:

Yikes on that update.

Menuhin on November 17, 2019:

Can I make a wand using a long toothpick?

DonnaDunnCochran on November 04, 2019:

Hi, I was browsing to try an find some advice on how to minister to someone that was a wiccan and agnostic when I came across this page.

I decided as a female Christian Pastor that has a relationship with God. I wanted to throw my two cents worth in.

In 99 God spoke to to meand said, you have been saved for many years but have never had a relationship with me. Right then and there God changed me yet again and saved my marriage!!! Not only that, when you have a relationship things change. It really changes the way you reach people. I love everyone. I can listen to anyones views. Now as a Christian of course I believe The Bible to be the Truth. However, there is a way to minister in LOVE. If the posters are not posting in LOVE then I would delete them. Please know that not all that claim to be Christians are Christians. You will definitely know the ones that are. The one thing that makes me sick is that the true body of God has to clean up the mess of those who claim to know him. Before I leave. I want to say that God does love everyone. He doesn't love our sin. The only way to go to hell is if you never except Jesus in your heart. Hell wasnt made for us but for Satan and his angels. Bless you and so happy that you found Jesus!!!❤❤❤

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W. Joseph Kollar on October 23, 2019:

STEPY 333 "God is everything." -Yes! At least in definition, there is nowhere in God's creation where God is not. ANGELA MALONE: Please do not credit Charlemagne with calendar changes. It started way earlier, second century with the quatrodeciman debates. Justin Martyr, Polycarp, later Constantine, and Eusebius were major players in this. Initially, Messianic Jews were attacked for observing the Passover. After Christianity was legalized under Constantine, pagan holidays were supplanted by Christian ones. I feel it is wrong for Christianity, aka "the Truth" to hijack winter solstice for Christmas, Samhain for All Hallows eve/Saints Day, etc. A God who is both sovereign and true would not need/nor want to resort to this.

Joey (author) on October 10, 2019:

Also @ChristianWitch, in regard to Roman Catholics being the only Catholics, that is a very common misconception, even among Catholics! The Roman Church tries to convince people of this misinformation in order to maintain control, and to avoid the consequences of the heresy that has been introduced by men claiming to speak for God. Fortunately, Jesus will never let His Church fade away, and he's sustained us through the broader umbrella of Catholic faith!

Joey (author) on October 10, 2019:

@God-loved witch First, I just want to say that you are absolutely right that God loves witches every bit as much as he loves Christians! There's not a person on this earth Jesus wouldn't have died for individually, or to whom He hasn't extended the offer of salvation. God's love for us is unconditional, and when we enter into a relationship with Him, we're given the gift of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will always guide a person toward obedience to God's will, and we may disagree, but while I considered myself a "Christian witch" for a long time, Scripture is very clear that practicing witchcraft is not in obedience to God's will. When l started living a full Christian live inside the Church as Jesus intended, I realized that it satisfied all the longings that led me to pursue witchcraft. The modern mainline Protestant church has stripped away so much of the richness of faith, so people understandably go looking for it in other sources. I found that the spiritual satisfaction witchcraft once provided me was incomplete and unnecessary, and I definitely didn't start out thinking that way! I'd encourage anyone else who identifies as a Christian witch, as I did for so long, to really dig into Scripture and be open to the leading of the Holy Spirit.

As for Anglicanism, you're partly right! Mainline Anglicans are both Catholic and Reformed. That's why Anglicanism is known as via media or the "middle way." Catholic because we can trace our line of bishops back to Peter, and Reformed because we aren't under the authority of the Papacy of Rome. There are many (like me!) who are Anglo-Catholics as well.

God-loved witch on October 09, 2019:

Someone said some insane thing about witches going to hell.God HATES it when you say something offensive like that. To all witches:you will only go to hell if you have a religion that is actually bad, which does not include witchcraft.

ChristianWitch on October 09, 2019:

God loves witches just as much as Christians. Also I noticed that someone called Anglicans catholics. No matter how much alike they are, The Anglican Church is Protestant.

ChristianWitch on October 09, 2019:

This is not totally what witchcraft is. The Witch’s Way is for all, even Christians. Also, you don’t have to leave the Craft behind to convert to Protestantism.

Gadfly from Olde London Towne on September 18, 2019:

KARMA IS THE KEY.

gibby on September 15, 2019:

@ Arianna

can u not... like u can believe hat you want but like can u leave us alone? like, we don't go around making people who practice different religions feel any less valid. Like...dude, its the 21st century no one cares if they're going to hell. and also, Wicca and paganism has been around longer than Christianity. it is in fact made up of the indigenous religions and histories that white Christians erased. it was like genocide but on religion. So can you please leave karen? no u may not speak to the manager.

Gadfly from Olde London Towne on September 10, 2019:

KARMA IS THE KEY !

Sam on September 09, 2019:

I'm an atheist and I believe in the supernatural. Atheist just means you don't believe in any deities. Ghosts, spirits and whatnot aren't gods. Also, Arianna, your comment is exactly what she's talking about. The article literally just explains all this and you didn't pay any attention to it. You only thought about what you believe and what you think is real and truth. That's incredibly selfish and you said it yourself, Satan is selfish.

Sad on September 08, 2019:

I like how you only accept comments to be posted that fit your opinion. Lol

Arianna. on September 08, 2019:

It’s absolutely no wonder why CHRISTIANS are shaming you and not atheists because atheists don’t even believe in the supernatural! Jews don’t even believe the messiah came yet. These faiths don’t know the truth. Christians do. Are you mad that you’re being exposed? You’re worshipping satan. Do you really think he’s going to give you authority in hell when you die? He’ll throw your stupid stones at your face and laugh, ‘your rocks won’t save you now.’ I know you’re offended but it’s for your safety. But i guess some people are ok with learning that when they die, they’re deceived life on earth was a path to hades. You’re not serving The Lord you’re serving self. Which is all satan is. Selfish. You’re just like him, you just can’t admit it. One day, hopefully not though.. you wake up.

Random Wiccan on August 20, 2019:

Good article, yet doesn't catch ALL the annoying things they say

Pastor GS on July 14, 2019:

Very good article and well written. I'm so tired of reading Internet docs from people that don't use proper periods and commas.

I'm a Christian pastor and know that faith-filled prayer works. I also know certain spells and curses work too.

Again, nice article that makes some great points!

Brandon on July 02, 2019:

i myself am a christian (or so i think). i've actually got a lot of questions about wicca/wiccan. i think i'll start with 2 for now. my first one is; what are topics to completely avoid? my second question is; is the love between a christian and a wiccan wrong?

Helena Whelan on June 24, 2019:

No because we've tried that approach and mother attempted to kick me out

DW Davis from Eastern NC on June 24, 2019:

Helena, rather than hide your faith, perhaps you could educate your family about the fact that the passage allegedly referring to witches in the Bible is a mistranslation with the truth being vastly different from what Anglo-Europeans have believed for centuries. This article may be a good starting place.

https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/thou-shalt-not...

Helena Whelan from marysville, washington on June 23, 2019:

Any tips for trying to hide the fact you're wiccan. Because my family's christian

Gadfly from Olde London Towne on April 27, 2019:

BLESS.

Liza45 on April 27, 2019:

I was a former wiccan and my own experience i did believe that I was also doing good for the wellness of others but I was mistaken. I was being deceived by lies from an invisible liar who pretended to be a helper and a friend acting but he was not a friend he was darkness dress as light. Using my gut feeling and craving to feel wanted or that I belong to a religion that understood me since i did not believe that the devil was real. i believe at the time that people was the one doing evil nobody else to blame. So i rejected christianity. Crafty, tricky, smart, deceitful the invisible liar was he made me believe that I was doing good helping people but he lie to me. He gave me knowledge about herbs, spells, i was great as seen the invisible,telling the future and became one of his Highest Priestess in the covenant. I was known by many and had a lot of customers my reputation made some people fearful and others seek my help to resolve many life problems.But one dark day I cast a spell which I won't give details. He the darkest handsome tallest man like a dark shadow like one of the scenes from Ghost the movie appear before me he saids to me you have done well my servant and I shall now reward you with death. I froze cold. I was not ready to depart from this world yet. In state of disbelief. I ran in fear and pounder what door did I open since I cast a spell from an old ancient book out of print which nobody was able to find but my spiritual guide made sure I founded. I open the gate of the ancient one and got myself in deep trouble this spells was not known by many and I mingled with fire. It was the most powerful spell not known to Wiccans and I got in deep trouble. People witness the dark man and ran in fear. None of them who was there stayed with me. They all abandon me. I am about to die and alone. Well in my cry of desperation. I kneel down and remember a Christian prayer when a sweet voice from nowhere tells me I do not like that. You must get rid of it. I pay a higher price for you. That day forward i got to know Jesus the Savior of the lost and about to enter death.

jonnycomelately on April 23, 2019:

Angela Malone, a "relationship with god" is personally designed according to personal desire for personal benefit.

No god exists outside of those parameters.

For any god that is constructed for religious purposes, read political purposes....

For "church" read:

Convenient

Hierarchical

Use of

Religion for the

Control of

Humanity.

To the personal god, which benefits the life and human emotions of an individual, I can afford much respect, but not the religious one.

Gadfly from Olde London Towne on April 23, 2019:

I.T. server regards article as 'non mainstream' religion !

Gadfly from Olde London Towne on April 20, 2019:

Content blocked by 'web sense' !

Angela Malone on April 18, 2019:

Ok let us take a step back Mr.Sunday Christian. There is Westernized Christianity. It is a religion to relig is to restrict. But doesn't it say In the Bible if someone doesn't believe in what you do to leave them alone? Are we reading the same book? Easter is Ishtar a pegan fertility Goddess because Charlemagne took the Christian calendar and mashed it with the Pagen calendar. What about Neolithic Christianity? There are not 10 commandments there are 818. The point is God and Jesus are recognized in all religions just viewed differently. I can't force you to see the exact same thing I seein the exact same way. A relationship with God is personal

Gadfly from Olde London Towne on April 18, 2019:

Some I.T. servers block this article. Censorship on an infantile scale.

oblivion on April 09, 2019:

it is very dumb for anyone to say these when ever someone says anything bad about me being a wiccan I tell them to look it up because I am not telling you anything

STEPHY333 on April 02, 2019:

I consider myself pagan catholic. I practice both in conjunction with light and dark... not good vs evil but light and dark together. I have always talked to jesus and ask him questions/pray etc but I use pagan means and believe in nature first. God made nature, God made pagans, God made all the other entities that exist. God may be the entire universe which Is actually conscious. God is everything.

Anonomus on March 29, 2019:

I am an wiccan and I have been bombarded with the Christian people telling me that if I did not turn back to Christianity I was going to go to hell. My grandfather is a pastor and I just have to keep using the Bible against him. I know to do this because I went to pastoral school and found that a lot of things that the Christian community says the community always does not follow. People say that God is love but yet he will allow people to be hurt and abused what type of God is that. some of the things that are said make no sense because they completely disregard the bible

Aaris770 on March 19, 2019:

I was raised Christian and the thing I will never understand is that most Sunday Christians as I like to call them do not know what is in their own bible ? Because witches are in there as well as ghosts and spirits. Whole book is about them. God is a spiritual being. I got scolded by a Christian because I was a ghost hunter/paranormal investigator. Been scolded for being a witch but the only persons demons I have seen are his? I love him and he loves me but man the rude shit that comes out of his mouth. Witches are

jonnycomelately on March 13, 2019:

Shane, it seems like you have started thinking for yourself instead of blindly following those scriptures, which need to be interpreted by some "knowledgeable expert," in order for you to understand them.

Good! Keep going, Shane. Open your mind to infinite possibilities, because that is what Christians claim the scriptures and their god are supposed to do.

It can't do you any harm to look deeply into the corners of your self and your existence. It is what the heirachy of your church really don't want you to do: it might expose the shortcomings of what you have been taught.

Whereas pagan is open to that infinite exploration. Try it and see for yourself. Maybe your partner can help you.

ArybellaHope on March 13, 2019:

Shane, I don't know if you'll ever see this. But please try to put yourself in your wife's shoes. Imagine that she had banned you from praying or reading the Bible in your own home. How would that make you feel? You say Wicca doesn't make sense. Try reading some 101 pages or books related to it. It may make more sense to you than you think. If your wife isn't trying to force you to change your religious practices, what place do you have to tell her that her religion isn't welcome in her own home, the place where she lives and is supposed to be a source of comfort?

Shane on February 23, 2019:

I am sorry that christianity has been so closed minded. That being said i am a Christian. My wife told me tonight that she wants to practice wicca.

As a Christian we are taught we have no business putting our nose in the spiritual world. That there is only one way to have.

After my wife told me that i started researching wicca, and tried to have a conversation with her about it.

The conversation ended when i said that i didn't want her practicing it in our home. She blew up about how i can pray and read the bible but she couldn't practice her beliefs.

Its not because everything says in my beliefs it's wrong, but more so i don't want to take the chance of something negative being brought into our lives.

I try to be open minded about other religions but wicca just doesn't make sense. Theres nothing to say what is considered harmful to others or how there can be a for seen outcome of what is right or wrong.

I do not mean to sound like I'm being negative but just trying to understand to make the best of an open discussion

April on February 06, 2019:

Thank you for sharing! I am on a spiritual journey and do not agree with what many of the "religions" believe. This has really helped me realize that, I AM on MY right path. Just hard to find people to talk to and learn from. I have been to multiple book stores to get books on wiccans, pagans, witchcraft and etc. Which have been great. Thanks again.

hi on January 26, 2019:

i think its pretty funny some of the things they say tbh

Orion on January 07, 2019:

Olga, your "always" and "never" assertions sound an awful lot like the dogma of religion to me. If people must do and not do certain things to fit your mold and definition of "witch", how is that not religion?

Olga on January 05, 2019:

Author of this ramble is not any better then those evil Christians that he is bitching about ,doing exactly the same thing that they do. Also , these days any Playgan ( no misspell here) calls him/ her self a witch without having a tiny bit of knowlegde what is genuine historical witch is that first of all always remains occult, never gives up the mind to ANY religion ( including the religion created in 1950 by sharlatan Gardner) and never seeks acceptance and attention of public .

Chyanne meadows on December 13, 2018:

I’m a Norse Heathen. The bad thing is when Christians took over Scandinavia forcefully they did claim that the spirits like the Hulder and Nix are just demons. Same with our Gods.

I'd rather not say on December 07, 2018:

I went through an initiation ceremony. The woman who performed it, her husband and I had a great big falling out. There were many things I did not understand and I was not sure what questions to ask. I was not confident enough to ask or say certain things. I am now non-denominational Christian (I guess). I did not bail out from fear or not wanting to honor my commitment. I was cast out and rejected for "disrespectful behavior." Then, I bailed out the rest of the way because I was alone and hurt, and angry at myself, them, and just the whole situation. I had never exactly been accused of being how awful they said I was. Not by anyone, ever! The truth is that I loved those people very much and still do. I do respect them as people but I cannot respect them the way they are demanding. I find nothing wrong with any pagan or wiccan religion or earthbound religion. I do not know enough about it. Once upon a time I began that journey. I feel like I was being pulled in opposite directions and sometimes there were attempts to push me out of my new path after my being initiated. I do respect you all as people. Respect is given, trust is earned. I feel greatly deterred from earning anyone's trust when it is made near impossible to earn. Why then would I waste my time and energy trying? I am not perfect, I am not all bad and I am not all good either. I have my faults too! Such as, Asperger's syndrome. It makes proper communication very difficult for me and at times, I find my own emotional responses are difficult to gauge or control. Forgive me if my words are scrambled at times it is also difficult to effectively type my feelings and opinions on things. I found this a little interesting and also (for some reason) emotionally pulling. That is pretty hard to do. I feel like everything I have said here has relevance and correlation with everything I have said and I feel like it needed to be said that I have no hatred of pagans. I feel angry at times at those particular pagans and also hurt that they did not want me.

anonymous on December 06, 2018:

there are just as many pagan worshipers who are judgemental about catholics as there are catholics who are judgemental about pagans. Read some of your comments bashing catholics. I realize some Christians and catholics judge paganism and witchcraft unfairly. But in the same respect some witches come down unfairly on catholism. My husbands cousin has a girlfriend who is pagan and she knows my family is catholic. Now, while I am devout catholic I also believe in witchcraft as well. Well, our cousins girlfriend puts posts on her facebook page bashing the catholic religion all the time and I don't make posts bashing the pagan religion or witchcraft. Has she maybe been persecuted for her beliefs, made uncomfortable because she is pagan, or told she shouldn't believe that? Possibly she has, but she makes public posts bashing a religion I and millions of others believe in. The basis of that religion (what I believe in) is love, forgiveness, and understanding. Have I as a catholic been persecuted for catholic, told I shouldn't believe, told its nonsense....you better believe I have. But I don't make posts on my facebook bashing others beliefs or religions....no matter what....that is not how I was raised in my catholic household to do or how to behave. food for thought people....we all do the same things to each other, one religion doesn't bash one more than others....we all bash each other. so why can't we just get back to the roots of the message, love, peace, forgiveness and understanding and stop all the bashing on both sides.

Michael Lapinskas on December 01, 2018:

Religion is a way of life. Some people need to follow something or someone.I really don't care what people think about what I believe in because I know what I believe in is true because it works for me. Lets not forget that almost all of the artifacts in the Vatican are stolen. Mother earth isnt a thief!!! But if we dont respect her power she will kill us. Dont let the third eye close once you get it open.

Massagegal on November 23, 2018:

Hello: I use to be a High Priestess of a Coven, I understand the trials and some hate you go through. I was looking for some kind of spiritiality but wasn't finding what I needed. One day I did find Christ, not religion some legalistic Christianity, but a true relationship with Jesus. One minute I felt in bondage, the next I was set free. I have been a Christian for over 10 years. I love ALL those in the pagan community and pray for them to be happy and loved. I do understand how they feel because I was once right there, now I want to share the other side of what I learned about Jesus. No judgement, no hate, just from love. I think when we find something awesome and has power we need to share it to enable people to have choices. I don't think the churches do that. I have a relationship with Jesus, not a church. I got to make a choice Paganism or Christianity and after finding the real Jesus, I chose Him but always have my heart with those who are pagan and are looking to get their questions answered. I want to be that person for you, if you ever have any questions. Blessings.

Me on November 11, 2018:

When u say no 2 wiccans are the same, that may be true...but for real cheistians, they are supposed to have likeness of the Father, thus likeness of each others or others...so yes we can pray the same and be similar as well...espiecially because there is a way we r told to pray in scripture...ijs...i do not feel like u can speak for christians...shoot most of these christians got it twisted...but u have a great day...

jonnycomelately on November 02, 2018:

Hiding hehind an "anonymous" name makes it seem like you are afraid to "come out " Maybe you are the Pope himself and secretly don't believe the stuff you preach.

Apples on November 01, 2018:

The thing that makes me uncomfortable with Christians is the hypocrisy. If they talk to you about their religion it’s a good thing, but if I dare mention mine it’s “shoving it down their throats” and “how dare I mention the ‘devil magic’”. If somebody doesn’t want to listen to your religion, just be polite and shut up. Especially if you don’t want to actually have a discussion of beliefs and instead just want to spit off bible verses.

I hated church as a kid. I grew up Baptist and at my church the women couldn’t be in ministry. Their place was in the kitchen or with the kids. It was a toxic environment to be brought up in. Especially coming out as bisexual was not an easy task in the church. I found a better home with Wicca and people who were actually empathetic. They didn’t try to change me. They didn’t tell me I couldn’t do things because of my gender. They didn’t condem me because of my sexuality.

I won’t ever step foot in a church again because every time I did and I tried for years, I never felt like I belonged. The youth ministries were painful because I didn’t gel with the kids, I felt like a stranger that everyone kept at arms length away.

Anonymous on November 01, 2018:

Don't put labels on God, don't interpret Him through people. He cannot be understood at all times, He is too big to be boxed in, and He doesn't want you to take control of your life because He knows you'll exhaust yourself, He wants to carry that load for you.

jonnycomelately on November 01, 2018:

Sadie, you might feel imprisoned by what you know to be true.

But your honesty and your moral courage are what our world needs most of all.

I hope you grow to ripe old age carrying your personal message of inner truths, casting aside the lies of hypocrites.

Wishing you a fruitful journey always.

Chloe I. on October 30, 2018:

Even if it may not mean a lot to you, I really appreciate you sticking up for us. I'm a Wiccan kid and have seen some websites with Christians talking amongst eachother about "witch hunts". Which have really freaked me out considering the fact that my stepfather is Christian and if he found out my religion he might kill me. Now maybe thats just a rumor or something about Christians. I used to be Christian too but this new religion has really opened up to me. I feel more connected.

jonnycomelately on October 27, 2018:

@Ronnie - ????? You speak in riddles. Has something that was inappropriate been disallowed ?

Ronnie on October 27, 2018:

Whether you like it or not I wasn't religious and got mocked, belittled, manipulated, coerced by some one dishonest abusive that is bisexual polyamorous and over and over her lame pathetic

jonnycomelately on October 25, 2018:

Your Roman Catholic Church is absolutely riddled with superstition.

You have shown this to be true even in this post of yours here.

" Because of course The Catholic faith is the one true faith." Your words! Presumptuous, arrogant, superiority complex, adversarial. Nothing whatsoever to do with the guru-like nature claimed of one "Jesus" figure of 2000 years ago.

Sean, your fanatical hanging on to your church's teachings perhaps says more about your own inner psychological needs and your prayers are directed at those inner needs.

Sean on October 24, 2018:

I’m a devout Catholic that found the information in this article interesting in my research on Wicca.

I study others faiths refreshing myself often so that I can fully understand what they believe in order to do my apologetics and debate as well as rebut them. Because of course The Catholic faith is the one true faith.

You CANNOT practice witchcraft and be a Catholic.

It is not possible.

I do believe in Witchcraft and I am sure it is quite real I also acknowledge that the beliefs held by wiccans are legitimate beliefs that they have the right to hold out of their free will.

But with there being subjective and objective truths in the world.

The right faith is an Objective truth

If one is right all the others must therefore be wrong

Catholicism is the one true faith and therefore all others are wrong

Their belief may be held by individuals but objectively their beliefs are wrong.

I understand thoroughly the rituals, theology, different traditions and sects as well as sometimes lack of, and beliefs of Wicca (and yes I know they don’t believe in Satan or at least in Satan as The Church holds him to be)

I have done my research

And it is thoroughly wrong.

St. Michael the Archangel,

Defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the Devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray; and do Thou,

O Prince of the Heavenly Host - by the power of God - cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits, who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.

"A Tailcenn will come over the raging sea,

With his perforated garment, his crook-headed staff,

With his table at the cast end of his house,

And all his people will answer 'Amen, Amen.'"

St. Patrick Pray For Us!

St. Benedict Pray For Us!

St. Boniface Pray For Us!

jonnycomelately on October 18, 2018:

Ye Jehovahs Servant , whom the gods so despise that you fear exposure as to your real identity; and you so waste the time allotted to you in which to enjoy and marvel at this beautiful creation we call Mother Earth; desiring instead to worry your petty mind with superstitions and makebelieve - even worse you implant your negativity in the minds of your fellow beings; hack, hijacker or hindrance be gone with you. At least do some good in this world.

Jehovahs Servant on October 18, 2018:

Hmm funny this calls for wisdom

I suggest you dont speak to christians as most of them dont really worship him either way. I would be afraid of speaking to those whom the father jehovah sends down to judge those heathens practicing idolatry. Darker times are luckier for those whose temporal enjoyment will last a short bit living on paradise in ignorance. Both you and your christians are the lawless ones.

jonnycomelately on September 26, 2018:

No, I cannot do that.

Agartha on September 26, 2018:

Alan please add me on facebook, my name Is Agartha nelson

jonnycomelately on September 19, 2018:

Hannan, surely the most moral thing any of us can do is help our neighbour turn their hellish circumstances into a heaven here on earth.

You sound like the sort of person who can do just that.

Hannan Zhou on September 19, 2018:

It's really annoying to anyone when people from other religions (mainly Christians) tell you that you're going to Hell for your beliefs. As if that's supposed to alarm people whose religion doesn't even include a Hell. Or Heaven. Or God. Or Jesus. Or any of those tortures that I'm going to go through for being an atheist hopefully witch-to-be.

Kynthia on September 10, 2018:

Dear Anonymous: I am an eclectic witch. I enjoy a relationship with my creator (Catholics vall him God typically) and I follow the practices your Jesus taught for treating other people right.

I detest religion, so, for me the answer would be no. However, ask yourself of you can practice witch craft and remain a Catholic.

Only you, and you alone, can answer that question.

Anonymous on September 03, 2018:

I am a Catholic and I stand by a lot of Catholic beliefs; however is it possible to believe in God and practice witchcraft without the ideas clashing?

RockPath on July 22, 2018:

I just decided to become Pagan. Raised Christian my whole life, the strife I went through! I am so at peace with this decision, and unfortunately many in my family are "trolls" in cyberspace torturing the clan I am joining. Thank you for this article the information will be very helpful once I practice my faith freely.

Ian Stuart Robertson from London England on June 14, 2018:

Merrie we meet.

I am able to browse this site here in the 'West Country' however cannot access in Olde London towne'.

The Limpet.

joshua couldren on June 07, 2018:

first there is evil and good in all religions we witchs are not all evil even thow in a bible they tell you there is no good witch fact is there is good ones its all in the heart and intention of that person there using a one world religion to control people with fear wake up people you all been lied to the past 2 thousand 30 yrs pagans go back 800000bce and we aknowledge a mother goddess and many gods just like you would aknowledge we all have a earth mother naturaly you wouldnt exist think outside the box if you dont believe in magick you better not eat then cause your body does alchemy turning food into energy

Haley Johnson on May 23, 2018:

I was a Christian, but a mouth or two ago, I became a Pagan. When I told my Christian parents that I was Pangan they became very angry with me, they told me that I was going to go to hell for my beliefs and that it was also devil worship. But I didn’t mind those comments because I knew that this was the right spiritual path for me and I know that Paganism or becoming a Pagan is about love and peace and what amzing things the beautiful Mother Earth has to offer us and when I became a Pagan I felt so much more love and peace. I am so happy that I bacame a Pagan.

Jupider on May 17, 2018:

Well I’m Pagan and I think this is AWSOME, and sooo funny! People afraid of people just because of there religion, wait I got an idea next time thst jerk bullys me I’m just gunna say, “Well I’m a witch so if you do that again, I’ll curse you!” Hahahaha!!!!!

jonnycomelately on May 04, 2018:

And Dolly, you obviously have a kind heart and good intentions, but you do contradict yourself, primarily from your christian perspective. You have judged me, despite having said you don't. You think I am hateful, without knowing me at all. You think you need to pray for me....your stuff, your beliefs, from your perspective, not mine. You say you have love and respect for all. How funny that is...I have heard all that stuff within the church and I know how much it sounds so nice in the minds of many believers. When you are able to reach into the depths of your being and deal honestly with your Self, then you will see your religion in its true perspective.

When you can allow, unconditionally, every and any one their free choice to believe/disbelieve, worship/not worship, pray/not pray, etc., and just let them follow their chosen path, then I will accept your statement about respect. That is more akin to the teaching of Christ. Have no fear for me or any pagan. Our journey is not your concern and you do not know the destiny of any other person.

Wishing you an enlightening journey.

jonnycomelately on May 02, 2018:

Give me paganism any day over christianity. There seems to be a strong element of fun in the former which has been bled out of the latter by puritan attitudes.

I have no use for either right now but might explore wiccan concepts if and when life gets too dull .

Dolly Mears on May 02, 2018:

Well said, Jim Blake. I definitely agree with you there. Sadly most christians believe its their job to judge others and its definitely not.. Judgement will come and every person will have to answer for their actions. Your given multiple opportunities to listen and take in what the gospel/bible shares, but at some point you won't have any chances left and then it will be worse for the ones who knew and still did not listen. The bible speaks about people who will reject the lords truth and still deny him. They will mock us christians and be offended by us. Why wouldn't we share the great news that anyone and everyone can have an everlasting life in heaven? SMH. Listen our jobs as christians is definitely to serve one another, love one another (as difficult as that can be at times), and to not judge each other. And for Alan, I will definitely pray for you. I believe you are one of the many that will reject even if you did see with your own eyes. And by that I mean a supernatural miracle. Idk when or where or what point in your life you became so hateful. I encourage everyone who reads this thread search out every possible thing that you feel may bring you comfort. I challenge you to do so and compare it with what the bible says. Once you've accepted this challenge and still hold dear to your pagan believes then that is ok too. That is ultimately your decision and no one else. I will definitely continue to have nothing but love and respect for everyone no matter what they believe, what color they are or what hateful attacks they feel they need to throw. Thanks for this interesting article. I hope everyone can learn to just get along. :-)

Elizabeth Crocker on April 15, 2018:

Thank you for this! I'm a Christian witch, and I'm not afraid to share my experiences with my public school students. It's all part of educating our future! I love and respect all faiths, I dislike religion, as I see it is man made, not in our spiritual energy.

jonnycomelately on March 29, 2018:

Yay a, it does not matter that some of your words and grammar are not perfect English. What you have said is so true, obvious and honest. Thank you.

Yaya on March 28, 2018:

Christians are pagans. Christianity is the biggest occult out there. They don't even teach the truth about who god is instead they teach to worship jesus. Jesus said not to worship him and asked the people dont you know you are gods is it not written in the Torah that you are gods. John 10:34. Christianity has alot of misleading people in it. God is you. People need to become more aware. The abuse that Christians afflict on others beliefs is sick. And it does not mean it is true. Because alot of Christians are not aware of what is actually written in that book. And what that book was meant for. To make you more aware of there consciousness. But instead it has been used to harm, belittle, hate, bully all the opposite. Which if you really think of it was used as evil. Every word in that bible is a spell. The scriptures you speak is a spell the words are spells that is why it is called a SPELLing words. Words are powerful. How do people not grasp that. You read your scripture and say those incantations or you call on Jesus that is conjuring a deity. Jesus did not say to worship him at all not once does Jesus say to worship him. Instead he got upset and said isn't it written in the torah that you are gods. You are worthy just like him. But because people couldn't accept they were worthy to he got stoned. But that is one part of that religion in the Torah Jesus did not get crucified he lived a long happy life. A different doctrination. But they are all coming from the same book. Which this whole world is confused and each religion believes that there's is better than the rest and everyone who does not believe what they believe is going to hell and is going to be lost forever. In reality they are all lost forever. Because if you have hate for anything anyone you are in hell. You are lost. When you speak those words you are puting a curse on that person because they don't believe what you believe. If even just reading this makes you want to curse at me or tell me I am evil and going to hell. That shows you that you are sinning because you truly do not know who you are. Christians have been lost since they started burning people on a stick accusing everyone who believed in something else as a witch. Worshiping the devil because they knew and understood the truth, questioned the teachings Or not even that for women who stood up to a man was called a witch that all they had to say and they were burned on a stick. The translation was lost then. Still is lost. So because of the ignorance of the people... Because of the words lost in translation. Everyone is lost but why go by a book when you can go by your true spirit. Not ego but by your true consciousness awareness. You know truly in your spirit. Because when you are taught in church about something and in your spirit you feel deeply that is not true. Something is not right about that. So ask because it just does not feel right. Go with what your spirit is telling you and research yourself if you ask the pastor and they either dismiss you or make you more confused. So you can understand better. Because some of those pastors are blind themselves leading the sheep astray further and further away. I don't go by anyone's word I am a person who is seeking for truth and not settling because someone. Put fear and said I am going to be forever on a fiery brimstone lake. If you really read that book there is to kinds of God's in there there is a god love who loves all things and says to only eat plants and not animals. Then it changes to God of war who then eats animals and wants kill and hate. Sacrifice animals to this god to satisfy him. Again the clue is written in plain sight who god. John 10:34 either you will grasp it or not. The truth will set you free.

Anna on March 19, 2018:

Hi! I just recently converted from christian to Pagan on my on behalf. I had heard people in my community talking about how pagan's were devil worshipers, and I immediately knew that has to be wrong. I looked into it more and I really found myself in the pagan community and was so interested in it. When I had told my christian friends, they didn't exactly like it, but I could tell they were more accepting than my church community. As I had come out as pan about two months before, I am continually criticized for what I believe and do. And I know I will be criticized for being an eleven year old pagan, but I know my beliefs, and the Christian community sucked to have so many people shoving their own beliefs down you throat at the same time. I feel like myself now, and like you, I am surrounded by people who don't accept me for me, but this article inspired me to stick up for myself instead of just roll my eyes at whatever people say. Thank you.

Melissa burns on February 25, 2018:

Beautiful article i enjoyed reading it very much. I am new to tye path but know without a doubt i am headed in the right direction.Thank you

Joey (author) on February 21, 2018:

Hey, Sharon. Yes, that is what they teach you in Christian college... to read the Bible and study it in its original context (Aramaic, Greek and Hebrew.) This doesn't require being fluent in all three languages. I'm sorry you find the idea of basic Christian education so untenable, but I assure you, this is something any passing student at a Christian college is able to do. Also, reading the Bible multiple times is really not that difficult... if it's a central part of your life, I'm actually surprised you haven't.

By the by, I am actually a Christian now...no thanks to the "witness" of folks like you. I will pray for you, and that you don't turn any more people of from the faith with your confrontational spirit.

Peace.

Sharon on February 19, 2018:

You have read the bible several times and in all different languages ?? Come on I find that very hard to believe especially for some one who doesnt believe in God or Jesus. I think you are a liar.......

Del Chambers on February 12, 2018:

This a very thoughtful, intelligent, and well-researched article. It was enlightening to me and was a pleasure to read. And you are absolutely right that some Christians are just as you have described, hateful, judgmental, and generally hypocritical with regard to their faith. As Jesus said of the Pharisees, "they neglect the weightier matters of the law” or when He said “they would strain at a gnat and swallow a camel” (which reveals the absurdity of their legalistic beliefs). Unfortunately such people exist, which makes life and conversations about spirituality so difficult. I have long wondered whether such people are really Christians, or whether they are just spiritual people who take up the label of Christian and then cherry-pick their legalistic set of rules that they want to live by and impose on everyone else as they charge through their militant “Christian” lives. But I feel no animosity toward such people. I feel only sorrow that they are missing out on the more enlightening, empowering, life-changing, etc. message of love that Jesus conveyed. And I feel sorrow that their life and actions are hurting people around them and people that do not adhere to or accept their beliefs. At times, my sorrow lapses into the type of “righteous anger” that Jesus felt when He kicked over the money changers’ tables. His anger was against the usury, the cheating, etc., that was going on in this little market. People there were greedily, insultingly taking advantage of the humble people that were coming (at no small risk and discomfort) from the far corners of this region in order to learn more about, to thank, and to worship God. And just at their most vulnerable, emotional, and reverent moment, these greedy, selfish-minded money changers were waiting “just like a spider” (to quote from a movie) to take advantage of these people by cheating or whatever monetary tactics that were at their disposal in order to unduly extract the meager coins these humble people had brought in order to donate to the temple or to buy animals for the sacrifices. If they had been doing honest, helpful, service-oriented business with a reasonable profit, Jesus would likely have left them alone. I often feel that such militant Christians are of this sort or the Scribes and Pharisees that Jesus was constantly trying to teach and reform. As a former pastor said one time during a sermon, “Just because you walk into a Burger King and announce that ‘I am a burger,’ does not make it true. The Bible even predicts that such people will arise at various times in human history, legalists that wouldn’t know Jesus if He right in front of them. Legalists who do not base their law and rules for living upon the foundation of LOVE. Christianity as Jesus taught was and is ABSOLUTELY NOT about imposing, imprisoning, judging, insulting, hurting, etc. And I can say confidently from my knowledge of the Bible, from the spiritual lessons that God has taught me, and from what I have learned in Christian service that God DOES NOT (I repeat for emphasis) DOES NOT HATE FAGS (or whatever label that misguided people impose upon people in the LGBQT community). And Jesus did NOT come to sacrifice and minister to only those “white, clean, sober, straight, etc.” Christians that can clean themselves up enough to “deserve” His grace (which they truly do not deserve – “If a man says, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?” In total, brutal, naked honesty, I do not understand all the truths in the Bible, including His attitude toward LGBQT people. But I know that He loves, values, and cherishes each and every one of these people infinitely, and He only wants to love them and to help them in whatever their lives lead them into. I’m not really sure if God completely blesses LGBQT for Christian service and blesses their relationships. I’m still waiting for some answers on this question. I am not the source of truth, nor do I know it perfectly enough to tell other people how they should live (so long as they are not hurting anybody or hurting themselves). And I would never in a million years impose upon the freedom or “pursuit of happiness” of any precious (this includes all LGBQT people) child of God. And I would not presume to know how God wants you to live. But I suspect that He does not reject any form of genuine love between people, and I’m confident that He is at work in this community, and confident that He recognizes and blesses any act of kindness or any love toward or from any LGBQT person. I hope my humble words are beneficial to this conversation.

Jim Blake on February 10, 2018:

As a sincere and devoted Christian who aims to study, rightly divide the Word of Truth, and live it as the Messiah of Israel commanded, I want to personally apologize for those who out of zeal and perhaps good intentions do not approach you or others in the Spirit of love that God intends and commands.

You are very right on a few points I want to highlight specifically:

People in the Christian faith are often rude and forceful, rather than loving, compassionate, understanding, and thoughtful, but they do so against the example of the Messiah of Israel and the commandment of scripture.

Also, most people, in general, and Christians, in particular don't bother to read or understand the nuances of the faiths of people they are trying to reach, or teach. This leads to a false arguments and doesn't help matters, agreed. Pagans should follow your example in trying to understand the Christian faith well prior to writing Christians off or attacking them for their faith.

Additionally, I submit to you that people identifying themselves as Christians should properly understand their own faith well, should study and show themselves approved, before trying to teach someone else. There are too many novice teachers. The same applies to pagans.

Something very important to note is that going to Bible College, and even reading the Bible whether ten or a hundred times, in the original or a receptor language, does not mean the person understands the Word of God, lives it, or represents it properly. The Christian faith requires much soul searching, godly wisdom and instruction, proper exegesis of scripture rather than eisegesis, renouncing of man made traditions, and guidance and leading from the Holy Spirit, in order to live correctly and accurately align one's self to the commandments and laws of God.

Thank you for taking the time to write this article and thank you for your attempt to be balanced and level headed in your presentation of your concerns and your views.

We should all learn to always be ready to share things we have learned and believe with knowledge, wisdom, gentleness, and respect (some days I do better than others :-)) We also all need to be willing to test all thing and hold fast to that which is good.

I hope that you remain open to thoughtful edification and criticism and that you will earnestly seek the truth, even if it means once again making a major shift in your faith position. Thank you for your time and consideration. Peace and grace to you

A Concerned Pagan on February 05, 2018:

My parents are trying to stop me believing in Paganism [Asatru] because they reckon TV and movies influence my thinking. Yes, I may watch Vikings the TV Show and the history channel, but only because it is purely entertainment. I discovered paganism before I started to binge-watch Vikings and all of that. I genuinely believe in being a pagan, not because of the external influence, but because it feels... right.

Whitney on February 02, 2018:

Okeirany- For a 13 yr old you are very well spoken. However, you have to learn more about the different paths. For example the rule of three is not excepted by all pagans. Some pagans do believe in the devil although many choose to call him Lucifer, such as I do. His name and existance is in ancient texts far older than the Bible. I follow the Draconian Path and more precisely the Primal Current. It seems to me from what you said that you're a Wiccan, but if you're not this still applies just put your path in the place of Wiccans. All Wiccans are pagans, but not all Pagans are Wiccans. The Rule of Three was a term started by Gerald Gardener, and while I believe there must be balance in my magick I don't believe anything I do will come back to me three fold. This is called malefic magick and while many people throw it around it is something that I believe should only be used in the most extreme circumstances. I believe in and worship Hecate, Lucifer, Sepheranz, and Belial; these being, in my belief the 4 most powerful Witch Gods, eventhough there are several other beings that I work with, sacrifice to, and pray to. That person you were responding to is uniformed, but you cross paths with many more throughout your life. I wear my sigil of Hecate proudly around my neck and carved into my flesh. I've been called a devil worshipper, had someone spit in my face, and been screamed more times than I can remember. I've been practicing for over 20 years and Wicca was my introduction to the craft. Learn about the other paths, the other Gods and Goddesses, and more about your own. Like I said you speak very well, and with more knowledge under you belt you'll be able to do even better. One thing I can tell you is that people like that only feed off your whipping back at them. Jist make sure when you do that you kbow exactky what your talkig about because they'll goon a google binge and come back saying you don't know what you're talking about. The last thing I'll say is we are lucky enough to live in a country where there is freeedon of religion. Love that and breathe it in, because our sister witches of old were not as lucky as we.

Crissy olivas on February 01, 2018:

This is so beautiful and refreshing....coming from a mother that was a preacher n missionary yet a spiritual excepting soul I have been hated and excepted....so refreshing to read this..... blessed be )0 (

Okeirany on January 23, 2018:

Oh my goddess, my family! I am actually Pagan. Anyway someone made a question on Yahoo about paganism being illegal, and I decided to give her a piece of my mind. Here it is: "No, it should not be. One, we don't 'eat unbaptized babies', paganism is not cannibalism. Secondly, Paganism does NOT support 'The Devil'. We don't even believe in their existence. And finally, you clearly know absolutely NOTHING about paganism. The pentacle represents the elements in correspondence to the body, our magic solely affects us, as it is internal, and the pagan rule of three states that we cannot harm others with our magick. You are clearly an idiotic person who has no understanding of what you are talking about, so shut. Your. MOUTH." For a 13 year old, I think it was pretty well stated. Anyway, I loved your article. I have actually had to deal with SO many annoying people, including a person who thought that because I didn't ll of a sudden generate a fireball out of thin air or something, that I wasn't a witch.

Aviva on December 31, 2017:

I am Christian and I think Wiccans, pagans, and witches are unique and cool, is that bad to my type?

Concerned on December 20, 2017:

Looking at this as an ex-Catholic, we need another Crusade.

hello on November 12, 2017:

ChaosShall prevail,

How are you to connect with your family who thinks wiccians are evil?

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You'er just going to have to be who you are, ignore the hurtful comments of others (which is just a good thing to do in life as you will always have nay-sayers to deal with.), and carry on as you will. You'er going to have to let your conduct speak for you. Be the bigger person.

so, cultivate some good behavior, treat others well and always be respectful, regardless of how you are treated. (this all sounds like rehashed garble, doenst it? It's actually has a lot of truth in it. I was reading a book from ..1702? about that year, and the fellow gave the same advise to christians who were being picked on for being too zealous by their less-then-zealous christian neighbors. Just about everything is christian in 1702.)

If you want to connect to them, you're going to have to be the one who is in the awkward position. You can try to understand a them without actually being one of them. you can even engage in some of there activities without being one of them. people do it all the time.

You dont have to tell them that your Wiccian. In fact, you sound young, so you probably shouldn't, yet.

I would highly recommend that you do not display that weakness of youth and attempt to force them to convert to your way of thinking. It never turns out well. It's very much like the fable of the Wind and the Sun. If you behave like the wind, and try to blow a mans jacket off, he will only hold it tighter. If you behave like the sun, and smile, the man will willingly take his jacket off. That's why you have to behave so well, so that they will come willingly, and in their own time.

ChaosShallPrevail on November 03, 2017:

I have a slightly off topic question, but would still ask anyways.

How am I to be a Wiccan when I live in a household of Christians who believe Wiccans to be evil, and despises any sort of way I attempted to connect with them. I have tried honoring the my Step-mum's dead mother with her, I have attempted to understand their christian faith, but alas it was fruitless. What am I to do to try to connect with them?

Joey (author) on September 09, 2017:

I'm so sorry you had that experience, Tim! Even sorrier that it is so common. ): It's a shame that more people can't see the value in choosing your own path and the personal nature of spirituality. You are definitely not alone! Thank you for taking the time to comment and share your thoughts.

Tim Begg on September 09, 2017:

Firstly, I would like to thank you for this article. I came from a Christian background, but left because I had more questions than they were prepared to answer. Since then I have followed my own path, closer to ancient Shamanism than Pagan.

Like so many Christians, I considered anyone who did not follow my faith to be evil, and going to the place called 'Hell'. But then came the change, and I realized that our spiritual paths are intensely personal, and no-one can tell another that his/her path is wrong, or interfere with another person's spirituality.

I have also come under severe criticism from Christians all my life, even when I was one of them myself - but that's for another time. Thank you again for this article! It is so nice to know that I am not alone in this struggle. Thank you.

Katherine on July 24, 2017:

Completely Alan, l've worked within the organisation for two years and never been asked to follow a faith. It is purely about me being supportive and caring to young people... my respect for all faiths will never wavier.

jonnycomelately on July 23, 2017:

Katherine, that's an interesting perspective. I am just wondering if, as an agnostic, you would be allowed total freedom to remain agnostic, without having to be "educated" out of being agnostic.

If the christians of that organisation are willing to be as open and respectful to yourself as you are to them, then there should be no problem.

Katherine on July 22, 2017:

Hi I recently posted a job advert for a Youth worker on a community page. The successful candidate will be working for a Christian organisation. I than received a comment, "Mmmm shame Christian". I was at first offended by the comment (I'm not personally a Christian I'm egnostic and open and interested in all faiths) so I responded this way, "Thank you for the comment. The Organisation is Christian. Many supportive organisations have been started or set up by a Church including the vast majority of schools, soup kitchens and homeless shelters. With the aim to education, respect, support and be kind to one another, these are the Christian values the ad refers to. The Organisation is fully inclusive and just wants to give every young person a good start in life.

Please don't take this comment as in a way trying to embarrass or shame I just want anyone thinking about applying to know all the facts. Young People first and always will be! Best wishes

Joey (author) on July 14, 2017:

Thank you for your openmindedness, Lucy. The world would be a better place if more people were that respectful!

Lucy on July 14, 2017:

I personally don't believe in peganism but at the same time I'm open to the possibility that it's . I'm not omnipotent, I don't know everything and honestly who am I to tell you that you're lying. For all I know it could be completely true and I'm just plain wrong. As a Christian I just feel like it's ridiculous to tell people what is and is not possible, that's really hypocritical and unfair.

Casey on June 23, 2017:

Thank you for this.

I actually had a coworker tell me my pentagram necklace was a satanic symbol. I told her it can't be because I don't believe in Satan. Her response was "Well, I am a Christian and I do so it is."