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Lennon and McCartney Astrological Comparison

Jean teaches astrology, tarot & metaphysics. She is an author, ordained nondenominational minister, & member of the NJ Metaphysical Ctr.

John Lennon.

John Lennon.

Astrology Charts of John Lennon and Paul McCartney Contrasted

John Lennon and Paul McCartney gained worldwide attention as the Beatles, and were one of the most loved and prolific songwriting teams in history. Both had dreamed of being in a band since they were very young. They met each other at school in Liverpool, England—what was it about the two of them that gave them such artistic chemistry?

It has been said in many biographies, one of them The Beatles by Bob Spitz, that John and Paul could finish each other’s sentences when they were writing together. Or that John would write one line, and Paul the next. Sometimes, one of them would have half of a song, and the other would find a creative solution as to how it could be finished.

John Lennon's Astrology chart.

John Lennon's Astrology chart.

The Perfect Partnership

John Lennon was a Sun sign Libra, and Paul McCartney is a Sun sign Gemini. Both of these are air signs which rule communications. They are also in an easy aspect called a trine, so this is what contributed to the ease with which they could practically read each other’s minds when they were working on material for albums. John’s Sun in the seventh house of partnerships means that he was happiest while working with a partner.

This is true in his personal life as well as in his musical career. He and Paul became friends who hung around all the time before they formed a band. Later, John married his girlfriend Cynthia when she became pregnant, to do the “right thing” by her. Finally, John’s partnership and second marriage to Yoko Ono became the most important part of his life. So John should be viewed as a person who really doesn’t like to be alone, or work alone.

Lennon: Music Career Seen as Just a Job

Paul McCartney’s strong Gemini Sun in his ninth house, but very close to his midheaven, makes it almost impossible for him not to express his ideas and words in a public manner. His Mercury in Gemini gives him a mind that’s always going, always thinking and forming new ideas. Paul is very ruled by his thoughts and intellect, a cerebral sort of person. A person with Mercury in Gemini is a somewhat nervous person, but a quick thinker who can come off as being sort of playful, which is descriptive of Paul’s public demeanor. Because Paul’s Gemini Sun is so close to his career house, it is very prominent, so he was destined to be an achiever, someone who was going to be sure to implement his plans and dreams.

Once Paul had a taste of fame, he wanted to move out of obscurity fast, because he had a need to shine with his strong Sun, and was very success oriented. The honors, prestige, and recognition that being one of the Beatles provided were very important to Paul’s sense of self worth. Paul had loads of charisma, and was a bit vain, though many always thought he was the best looking of the guys, so his looks were played up. Many of these traits came from Paul’s Leo Moon.

John’s Aquarius Moon was in opposition with Paul’s Leo Moon, the body which rules emotions. Although this caused difficulties in getting along at times, it’s also positive energy which was useful as a creative outlet, which happened with John and Paul. John is more impersonal in his emotional responses, and preferred to involve himself in large projects which affected many people. This trait was accentuated in John’s later life as he met Yoko Ono, and organized rallies for peace, and concerts to help people in need.

It is interesting that when most people think of the Beatles, it is usually John they think of as the spokesperson for the group. He was a natural, because he had an Aries ascendant, so he liked attention. John also had a very blunt and direct manner of speaking. That Aries enthusiasm, frankness, and courage, made John quick to blurt out whatever he thought.

He caused a huge uproar with his quote that the “Beatles were more popular than Jesus.” That was just his style of speaking; John was a little naïve and came off as being more assertive than he really was because of his Aries ascendant. But when one takes a closer look at his horoscope, it’s obvious that it is not a role he really wanted! Being a Libran, John wanted to please people. He was charming and likable.

Also, people tend to forget how young Paul and John were when they went viral all over the world! They were only teens, and not at all ready for the media blitz all over the world that they suddenly had to contend with everyday. People still hold that one remark about Jesus against John, who was a bewildered 20 yr. old, lived with no semblance of privacy, and was already a husband and father! Later, it was George who described the "Beatles experience" as "four really crazy years of my life." Truly, that's how long they all stayed together, though that huge body of work makes it seem much longer. Plus after the break up, John and Paul (plus George and Ringo) all went on to record many more projects.

McCartney: Wanted to Be the Leader

It was actually Paul who always wanted to be the leader, with that prominent tenth house. As Paul began achieving more, he had higher and higher goals. Paul had strong organizational skills, because of his Virgo ascendant, also noticeable in the appearance of Mercury (how you think) Jupiter (where you are lucky) and the Sun (where you shine) filling up his ninth and tenth houses. He was going to be a leader in whatever he chose to do with his life. But Paul began having conflicts of authority early on in the Beatles' careers, as he kept trying to rise above the others in the group. He didn’t really care that much about the money, although when the Beatles later began their own Apple label, and it dissolved, Paul made sure he got good financial advice and took advantage of his band mates to a certain extent.

Paul’s Mercury in Gemini made it hard for him to make decisions. This is because that position would make him ponder an issue from every side, to be fair, and make it hard to settle on one choice. He tended to over intellectualize issues, but also Paul had a strong will. His Venus in Taurus made him sensual and charming in social situations. His Mars in Leo, a fixed, fire sign, and in his eleventh house, meant he was used to getting his own way when it came to friends, and his hopes and dreams. It did aid him in making new starts though, as when he married Linda Eastman and began their new band Wings. Paul’s Virgo influences in the twelfth house of secrets gave him a sense of perfectionism, and also made Paul the “organizer behind the scenes.”

John’s strong Sun in his seventh house of partnerships meant that he really did not like to be alone or work alone, and he always was part of some partnership in everything he did. But his Mars in Libra in the marriage and partnership house proves that he involved himself in active and dynamic partnerships where he was willing to fight for what he believed in at the time. John was never afraid to take on an adversary, be it the U.S. government when G. Gordon Liddy tried to have him deported, or in his active anti-war efforts, when he and Yoko Ono spent huge sums of money for billboards declaring, “Merry Christmas, War Is Over If You Want It.” When John Lennon cared enough about something, he would try to move mountains to achieve his goal.

Paul McCartney.

Paul McCartney.

John's Family Life

John’s dominant Saturn in Taurus in his second house meant that he had a grave and rather serious side when it came to security issues in his life. He actually saw his mother run over by a car as he watched, only a helpless young teen. His father, also symbolized by Saturn, was a Merchant Marine named Freddy, who never acknowledged John as his son until he realized John was rich and famous. Sadly, John was no better a father to his son Julian, as he was on the road and living like he was single while Cynthia took charge of his son’s upbringing. Recently, Cynthia Lennon published a book about her life with John, before he became famous and in the early years, then describes the last years of their marriage. It's called John.

In later years, John was more mature and a better father to his and Yoko’s only child together, Sean. But even today Julian sounds bitter that Yoko and Sean “stole the stage” from his mother and he. Many believe that Yoko served as more of a mother image to John, but he was jealous and possessive of her, while expecting her to accept that he do whatever he wanted. John’s Aquarius moon in the eleventh house shows why he was attracted to Yoko, an avant garde artist and someone who could act as a friend, mother, and lover, all in one. He admired her strength because she was one of the few women he knew who had a serious career of her own, and that attracted John.

John’s Jupiter, planet of abundance, is also in his second house of money and security in Taurus, and of course, he was financially secure. But John never gave priority to wealth just for the sake of power. Although these planets are accentuated, John used his finances to further his sensual and seductive lifestyle. John still craved a family life, because he never had one. It was said he insisted that Yoko accompany him everywhere, even at the studio, and the Beatles never let anyone in the studio. His jealousy and insecurity caused these actions.

His Jupiter/Saturn conjunction here shows that social and humanitarian causes meant much more to John Lennon. John’s Venus in Virgo in the sixth house of work means that even though he loved his career, he considered it as work, just a daily occupation that took up much of his time. He was very close to his colleagues, a necessity in the days of Beatlemania. Ringo Starr, the group’s congenial drummer, later discussed that fame was so hard on the group, that one had to be part of the Beatles to really understand the crazy lives they had, the demands that were made on their time. Plus John and Paul tried to take over and make all the rules, and George Harrison and Ringo Starr did not have much time given to their songs and singing. So many do not realize how talented the two “other” Beatles were.

John’s need for security confused him and made him feel as if emotions were burdens, a reason he had many “lost weekends” he could not account for. His Mercury in Scorpio made him somewhat sarcastic, but he was an original thinker with a unique sense of humor, and always a non conformist. When John believed in something, nobody could change his mind.

Paul McCartney's Astrology chart.

Paul McCartney's Astrology chart.

Paul as a Family Man

Paul McCartney’s full ninth house made him love travel, or at least he thought about it often. He also had an interest in philosophical and spiritual matters. When Paul met the Eastman family, he attended concerts and became more interested in classical music and art. Paul needed approval from others because he wanted to shine, but was warm, loyal, and generous because of his Leo Moon. Paul always gave the group a sense of whimsy with his Mercury in Gemini, he could sense when they needed a break from the intensity of their work. He loved exchanging ideas, but got annoyed with others who could not think as fast as he could, or skip from subject to subject. Paul rebelled against much of what his parents taught him, as his life and travel opened his mind to many new ideas, but his father was also a musician.

Paul’s Venus in Taurus made him want to settle down and be a family man, and the public saw that for the many years he was married to Linda, and the whole family went on the road together with their band Wings. In the years since Linda’s tragic death from cancer, Paul has remarried twice, so obviously he does not like living alone either. Yet he was quite the playboy before he married, and with his Sun in Gemini, many women bored him, so he needed one who appealed to him on a mental level. In time he found that with Linda.

Paul’s desire to be the power behind the scenes was in full swing by the time the Beatles broke up. It was inevitable with so many planets at the Midheaven of his horoscope. But it was not evident on the surface how much he resented that John was the spokesperson of the band, even though it was the last thing John wanted to be! All the elements for the breakup were in place by the time John met Yoko, although many blamed her for the group’s breakup. They were already doing solo projects and finishing what would be their last album before Yoko came along.

In later years, it seems they all led separate lives, which they needed, as everyone wanted the Beatles to get back together. It has been said that one night Paul was at John’s apartment at the Dakota, and Lorne Michaels of Saturday Night Live was offering them thousands of dollars just to show up. They considered doing it as a lark, but decided they would only get mobbed. In later years, Paul seems to still consider himself a “Beatle,” and cannot let it go. Perhaps because the years Paul was a Beatle was the time in his life when he felt the most loved and powerful.

We Can Work It Out

This article is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge. Content is for informational or entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for personal counsel or professional advice in business, financial, legal, or technical matters.

© 2015 Jean Bakula


Tiffany on August 01, 2017:

That's true, John and Paul may have opposing personalities, yet in the spite of their personality differences tehy could work tigether so well. May John and George rest in peace. As for Paul and Ringo, good luck to them

I am interested with Chinese astrology because I have a great interest on Chinese culture.

Jean Bakula (author) from New Jersey on August 01, 2017:

That's great, Tiffany. You seem to be learning fast and having a talent for it. Jean

Jean Bakula (author) from New Jersey on August 01, 2017:

I was not trying to pit John against Paul, they just had great but different talents, and sang like angels in some of their songs.

It takes hours to complete an astrology chart, so I picked them as the main two songwriters (though George wrote just as much, I have a whole article on him on Spinditty) and tried to contrast their personalities to see what made them click. You decided to take it the wrong way.

Tiffany on August 01, 2017:

Well that's right, John was a great songwriter in the spite of his imperfections. It was a sad sight see how John died during that day.

As for Chinese astrology, I am currently learning about it on several websites about Chinese astrology. But I am still a novice when it comes to Chinese astrology, so I need to study more to master Chinese astrology.

Jean Bakula (author) from New Jersey on July 31, 2017:

And what a sad day that was. He was so brilliant. You really should write a book on Amazon or try an article on Hubpages. Not many people write about Chinese Astrology here. Jean

Tiffany on July 31, 2017:

Then, I would give further the explanation about John Lennon's death.

John Lennon, as I have mentioned on my previous comment, was born with weak yin wood element and strong yang metal element combination.

The day he died (8 December 1980) was the day when there was a clash between yin wood element and yang metal element. At that time, the yang metal of the year (1980 was a yang metal year) was cutting the yin wood of the day (8 was a yin wood day) which caused the clash between the two elements. Then, the yin wood and yang metal clash happened in the cold winter month (December), yin wood was at its weakest position while yang metal was at its strongest position.

Look at John Lennon's death chart below for illustration:

Death hour: 22.50 PM (yin fire pig)

Death date: 8 (yin wood rabbit)

Death month: December (yang earth rat)

Death year: 1980 (yang metal monkey)

So, John Lennon who was born with weak yin wood element and strong yang metal element was greatly affected by the yin wood and yang metal clash of that day. As the result of the yin wood and yang metal clash on the 8 December 1980, John Lennon finally died.

From his death chart you could say that John Lennon died because the yin wood (John himself) was being cut down by the yang metal (bullets).

The yang metal / monkey combination happens every 60 years (look at his death chart if you don't understand), and throughout that year there were five to six occasions when yin wood showed up in this constellation. John Lennon survived all previous clashes that year, mainly because they took place in the spring, summer and autumn when yin wood is still solid. Once the clash occurred in the winter, when yin wood is at its weakest, the yang metal finally found its way in the form of the deadly bullet hitting the helpless yin wood.

Then, John Lennon died when he was entering the tiger luck cycle which means that he was entering a life-threatening period. John was going through tiger luck cycle from the age of 40-49.

As well, the location where John got shot to death is at New York City, US which is located at the west of his hometown Liverpool, UK. The west is according to the Chinese astrological theory is represented by metal element. Metal element is John's unfavorable element because he got excessive metal element on his birth chart which threatens the yin wood on his birth chart.

Here are the elemental directions according to the Chinese astrology:

North: water

South: fire

West: metal

East: wood

So, John Lennon who was born with the weak yin wood and strong yang metal combination was greatly affected by the elemental clash that occurred during that day. As the result of the clash, John Lennon finally died.

Jean Bakula (author) from New Jersey on May 21, 2017:

I may have done that myself in my hub, but only to show that they had traits I didn't think the public understood. But I agree, they both had brilliance in their own ways, so did Ringo and George. Good points.

Tiffany Cheng on May 16, 2017:

And btw ma'am I also would admit that I always get annoyed with the whole John vs Paul thing. I mean, both songwriters are great in their own ways.

It is annoying when I see there are still Beatles fans out there who like pit John and Paul against each other. It makes me sad when I see there are some fans who like to put down John to make Paul look better and vice versa.

Jean Bakula (author) from New Jersey on April 28, 2017:

Thanks Tiffany! I love it. I got chills when I saw it. That was so thoughtful. Take care. Jean

Jean Bakula (author) from New Jersey on April 21, 2017:

You know a lot about this. Maybe you should write a Kindle book or article for a magazine?

Tiffany on April 21, 2017:

And then, there was also zodiac match between John Lennon and Paul McCartney, especially throughout the Beatles earlier years.

John Lennon's dog was harmonizing with Paul Mccartney's double horse and tiger. Just look at John Lennon's Chinese astrological chart and Paul McCartney's Chinese astrological chart that I wrote previously to understand this explanation.

Then, Paul McCartney was going through monkey luck cycle from the age of 17 to the age of 26 which made him attracted to John Lennon's dragon year (John Lennon was born in the year of 1940, 1940 was dragon year). As for the clearer explanation, I would provide Paul McCartney's luck cycles below.

Paul McCartney's luck cycles:

Age of 7 to 16: sheep luck cycle

Age of 17 to 26: monkey luck cycle

Age of 27 to 36: rooster luck cycle

Age of 37 to 46: dog luck cycle

Age of 47 to 56: pig luck cycle

Age of 57 to 66: ox luck cycle

On the other hand, John Lennon was going through rat luck circle which went so well with Paul McCartney's monkey luck cycle. As for the clearer explanation, I would provide John Lennon's luck cycles below.

John Lennon's luck cycle:

Age of 10 to 19: pig luck cycle

Age of 20 to 29: rat luck cycle

Age of 30 to 39: ox luck circle

In general the three, dragon, rat, and monkey are very fond of each other. Because of John Lennon's dragon year (1940) and rat luck cycle (from the age of 20 to 29) could harmonize very well with Paul McCartney's monkey luck cycle (from the age of 17 to 26), they had harmonious relationship with one another which was happened between John and Paul during those early Beatles years. John's rat luck cycle and Paul's monkey luck cycle supported one another which made John and Paul's relationship was particularly solid during early Beatles years. As the result of the harmonious Lennon-McCartney relationship, The Beatles finally reached its tremendous success.

Unfortunately, in the year of 1969 there were a couple of elemental clashes between Yoko Ono, Paul McCartney, and John Lennon. As the result of a couple of element clashes between the three of them, John Lennon and Yoko Ono became hostile to Paul McCartney which finally lead to the Lennon-McCartney feud. At that stage the differences between John and Paul were increasing by the day, their luck cycle didn’t support them anymore. While Yoko just finished the whole thing off by taking John away. Paul McCartney became hostile to Yoko Ono because of this thing. As the result, Lennon-McCartney partnership broke up and The Beatles was finally broke up as well.

Jean Bakula (author) from New Jersey on April 20, 2017:

Thanks for the information.

Tiffany on April 20, 2017:

As the illustration, I would give John and Paul's Chinese astrological birth charts:

John Lennon

Birth time: 18.30 (yin wood rooster)

Birth day: 9 (yin wood rooster)

Birth month: October (yang fire dog)

Birth year: 1940 (yang metal dragon)

Zodiac sign: Dragon

As you can see from the chart, John Lennon had weak yin wood and strong yang metal element.

Paul McCartney

Birth time: 14.00 PM (yin fire goat)

Birth day: 18 (yang water tiger)

Birth month: June (yang fire horse)

Birth year: 1942 ( yang water horse)

Zodiac sign: Horse

As you can see from the chart, Paul McCartney has strong yang water element and strong yin fire element.

Jean Bakula (author) from New Jersey on April 19, 2017:

I appreciate Paul, I think he and John needed each other. I just thought Paul's writing and playing didn't grow much after John, As we've been talking about Paul and John, I've been listening to their old stuff. It still holds up today and I love the harmonies. So glad they met!

Tiffany on April 19, 2017:

Side notes:

After I read about Lennon-McCartney relationship from the Chinese astrological website I cited previously, I grew to appreciate Paul even more because he was the one who helped John to sustain himself and he was the one who able to bring out the best of John. Paul was the one who gave so much support for John, so I should say that John was so lucky to have Paul as his most trusted bandmate. John himself in turn also brought out the best of Paul. John and Paul were indeed meant for each other and their element charts very much confirmed this. I admit that I always feel so happy when I see John and Paul together.

As for Yoko, I couldn't say whether I like her or I hate her but I could understand the reason for John's attraction to her. John was attracted to Yoko because he felt that Yoko was the perfect person who could help John sustain himself even further. So, don't be surprised when you notice that John ever brought Yoko to the studio, that was because John needed Yoko to nurture his weak element.

As for John, I should say that his element chart was indeed life-threatening. So, I think that it must be hard to be on his skin. Although I am glad that despite of his life-threatening element chart, he could produce many good-quality songs that I love. God bless him.

Jean Bakula (author) from New Jersey on April 18, 2017:

Thanks so much for explaining this for me. I really appreciate it and will look into Chinese Astrology more.Best Wishes. Jean

Tiffany on April 18, 2017:

As for the addition, I would explain further about how the Lennon-McCartney working dynamism judging from the Chinese astrological standpoint. Then, I would also explain further about John's relationship with Yoko Ono judging from the Chinese astrological standpoint.

Here's the explanation of the Lennon-McCartney dynamism:

John Lennon was born in the year of dragon (1940) which contained strong yang metal element and in the month of dog (9 October) which contained weak yin wood element. So, John Lennon's element could be described as cold.

On the other hand, Paul McCartney was born in the year of horse (1942) which contained strong yang water element and in the month of horse (18 June) which contained strong yin fire element. So, Paul McCartney's element could be described as hot.

When John Lennon and Paul McCartney combined their elements, effective working dynamism happened between them. Paul's yang water element was useful for nurturing John's weak yin wood element and his yin fire element was useful for melting John's threatening metal element. On the same time, John's metal element was also useful for Paul, who didn't have any metal element, so Paul could use John's metal element to reduce his excessive fire element. Paul's element was useful for John to sustain himself and John's element was useful for Paul to cool down himself.

John Lennon's strong yang metal element gave him one kind of sharpness, which is easily detectable on his song lyrics. His fragile yin wood element gave him gentleness but on the same time his dragon zodiac sign made him powerful. He had the ability to lead the others straight to the battlefield.

Paul McCartney's strong yang water element gave him the special ability to understand music and adapting any kinds of music according to the required style. His horse zodiac sign made him friendly, sociable, and likable especially on the stage. Then, he also has the strong characteristic of a pioneer who would always seek for new and groundbreaking things.

Then, here's the further explanation for John's relationship with Yoko Ono:

Yoko has strong yin wood element because she was born in the month of tiger (18 February). Then, she also has yang fire element and yin water element. So, as the result John Lennon was attracted to Yoko Ono because John felt that Yoko Ono could help him to sustain himself and further growing his own element.

John Lennon used Yoko Ono's strong yin wood element to grow further his weak yin wood element. On the same time, John's strong yang metal element was useful for Yoko Ono to trim her excessive yin wood element.

As the result of his relationship with Yoko Ono, his relationship with Paul McCartney finally deteriorated which lead to the split between them. John Lennon split with Paul McCartney because he felt that Paul's element wasn't sustainable for him anymore.

So, John Lennon throughout his life relied on Paul McCartney and Yoko Ono as his personal anchors who could support him with the matching elements. According to John's element, his ability would be not able to show up without Paul and Yoko's support. John Lennon was the type of person who didn't like to work alone without anyone's support.

Jean Bakula (author) from New Jersey on April 17, 2017:


This is all so interesting. I will look into Chinese Astrology as soon as I can. Thanks for writing in! Best Wishes, Jean

Tiffany on April 16, 2017:

Thank you for the response ma'am, I am very pleased with it.

The article also said the reason for the Lennon-McCartney split was because John Lennon felt that Paul McCartney's element wasn't enough to sustain him even further. John Lennon was desperate to grow further his element to sustain himself, so he needed to cling himself to another person with element that could help him grow. Because John Lennon needed to grow further his element, he became attracted to Yoko Ono. After he got attracted to Yoko Ono, John Lennon felt that Paul McCartney's element wasn't sustainable for him anymore. His attraction to Yoko Ono finally lead to the Lennon-McCartney split.

There is an another interesting article that explained the reason of John Lennon's death judging from the Chinese astrological standpoint. Here's the article:

The article said the main reason why John Lennon died was because John Lennon was born with weak and cold element. He had weak yin wood element and strong yang metal element, two life threatening elements. Unfortunately, even with the help of Paul McCartney and Yoko Ono to sustain himself, his death was inevitable.

Then, the article said the day when John Lennon was killed was a day when wood element and metal element clashed with one another. The yang metal of the year (1980) was cutting the yin wood of the day (8 December), which made it really difficult for Lennon who had weak yin wood element and strong yang metal element. As the result of the clash between wood and metal elements occured that day, John Lennon finally died.

As for the Paul and John harmonies, yes you're right. They were so made for each other, that's why the Paul and John harmonies worked pretty well. I think as the previous article pointed out, the harmonies between Paul and John worked well because their elements were working well to compliment with one another that time.

Jean Bakula (author) from New Jersey on April 16, 2017:

Hi Tiffany,

Thanks for this engaging Chinese Astrology interpretation, I've never heard one before. I swear, Paul and John sound like angels in some of those harmonies!

Tiffany on April 16, 2017:

Good evening ma'am, thank you for your posting, I am very interested on it. I am a big fan of The Beatles as well. I love majority of the songs, I find their achievements as a band are truly praiseworthy, and I find the members to be interesting in their own way.

And as my response to your posting, I would give you an article about the explanation of Lennon-McCartney songwriting duo judging from the Chinese astrological standpoint. Here's the article:

The article said the reason why Lennon-McCartney songwriting duo happened was because the both of them got complimentary elements. John Lennon's element according to the article was too cold, so he needed someone with warming element. On the other hand, Paul McCartney's element is too hot, so he needs someone with cooling element. John Lennon needed Paul McCartney in order to sustain himself. Paul McCartney in turn also needed John Lennon to cool-off himself.

John Lennon provided coolness to Paul McCartney's element. Paul McCartney in turn, provided warmth to John Lennon's element. So, as the result of the element match between John Lennon and Paul McCartney, the artistic chemistry between them finally happened which finally lead to the band's success.

Then the article also explained further about the reason why John Lennon was attracted to Yoko Ono. The reason why John Lennon was attracted to Yoko Ono according to the article was because John Lennon felt that Yoko Ono was the person who could help him to further grow his element, so he could sustain himself. Yoko Ono according the article has warm and balanced element, which could help John Lennon to sustain himself and further grow his own element.

Jean Bakula (author) from New Jersey on April 15, 2017:

Hi Caroline,

I love it when other astrologers write in. It's always great to have another point of view in interpretations. I don't see where I actually said Paul "finally got his way." It was obvious he would have been successful in whatever he tried to do. But I don't feel he ever grew as a musician after the Beatles, Wings was awful. But when I was younger (I was 8 the night I saw them on Ed Sullivan) I thought Paul was the cutest for sure! Later, although I liked John, George was more spiritual, and I liked how he changed his life.

With Sun in the "job" house, John did believe the band was just a job, (a well paying one). Bob Dylan has his Sun in the 6th house too. I don't know if he's still touring, his voice is gone.

I think the Beatles were all ready to quit before Yoko came along, it was such a crazy life, as George points out. And yes, John had too many "lost weekends." I never considered John as bipolar, but now that I consider it, I think you are right. I have read Paul got into the arts more through his association with the Ashers, but also got financial advice that helped him cut the other Beatles out of some of the group money. But they were all suing each other by then.

We seem to have read a lot of the same books about the Beatles. I agree it must have been chaotic to be them, plus they were so young at the time, finding all that fame. Being together all the time wears off on bands. Did you read Living in the Material world? It's great, lots of pictures and the DVD is good if you like George's solo stuff.

Don't you wonder what John would be doing if he were alive today? Nice chatting with you.

Caroline on April 14, 2017:

Much of this rings true for me, both astrologically and as a long-time Beatle fan. However, may I debate a couple of points? Paul was certainly ambitious, but this idea of him always wanting to lead the Beatles from early on, and "finally getting his way" does not agree with much of the documentation. John was always the acknowledged leader, including in his own mind; in fact, one of the reasons he was p.o'ed that Paul was the first to quit publicly was because John felt that it should have been him, since it was his band. A lot of Paul's leadership evolved situationally, as John was stuck in the suburbs and not in the thick of the "scene" in London, like Paul was, making contacts and fermenting ideas. John was also clearly depressed; he acknowledged as much later on. Reading about his life, I believe he showed symptoms of bipolar disorder. Later, when he met Yoko, he was fed up with the Beatles and just wanted to explore life and art with his new love; but at the same time, he was on heroin. Not a good combination for investing in being a leader for your band. Paul started to fill in the leadership gap, but that Virgo rising and Mars/Pluto conjunction brought in the need for too much control -- George Harrison complained a lot about this. No blame on either one of them, it's shocking that they didn't all go nutty from the pressure on them.

Paul was actually introduced to a lot of "higher culture" when he lived with the Asher family, the family of his girlfriend, Jane. They were an intellectually active and accomplished family, invovled in theatre and music and such. When he moved out on his own, he became involved in the avant-garde artistic scene in London, hobnobbing with William Burroughs, various "cutting edge" artists, John Cage and similar musical concerts, etc. He was really the one to introduce a lot of the noise effects, tape loops, backward guitars and such into the Beatles music. John loved it but at the same time, John was more conservative in his tastes until he met Yoko Ono. Thank God he was because because it maintained a balance between experimentation and good, solid, accessible tunes. After he went through his political period, his music once again became much more personal (and he got a lot of criticism for it, with Mind Games and later, because everyone wanted "relevant John").

John sure does have a complex chart. It must have been hard to be in his skin. Saturn and Jupiter so closely conjunct in the first. God bless him.

Jean Bakula (author) from New Jersey on September 07, 2015:

Hello Again,

Thank you, I appreciate your taking the time to read my work. I've always been surrounded by Scorpios, so know a lot about them. I hope you enjoy that one too. Take care.

Cynthia from North Myrtle Beach, SC on September 07, 2015:

How incredibly interesting that is. I am Scorpio, and am off to read your hub about my sign.